guns!!!!

[45lvr]

just thought it would be good to have some of us "gun nuts" bs about....guns.

[45lvr]

just thought it would be good to have some of us "gun nuts" bs about....guns.



glock mdl 22 in .40cal
kel-tec sub 200 in .40
kel-tec p32 in .32 cal
kel-tec p11 in 9mm
bersa thunderlite in .380
ruger p90 in .45
walther p22 in .22
czeck cz-52in 7.62x25 (awesome fire power)
taurus p940 in .40
sig 229 in .357
steyr m-9 in 9mm
rock island 1911 in .45
mossberg 12ga
russian 7.62x54
french mas in 7.5x54
ruger .22mag
ruger .22long
marlin .30-.30
mauser k98k (nazi marked w/yugo crest) 8mm
baby eagle in 9mm
smith & waeeson model 19 in 4 in barrel .357
kahr 9mm the pm9
ruger 10/22 in stainless and fully suppressed, quite fun!

[45lvr]

wildcard82, im not too familiar with the one you were talking about. i thought it was a larger caliber, like a .50 or a or a larger caliber in a small package. i would always have to go w/the mp5, i love 'em. i used one in the corps and theyre awesome. ive also used them in swat and they do have a great name

[Calgarygent39]

12.7mm McMillan Tac-50.
Canadian Forces rifle.Was used to make the longest known killshot in combat in Afghanistan.

[WildCard82nd]

thanks for the input 45lvr,thats what ill probably end up getting :grin: i was also thinking about getting a walther p-99 handgun as a conceald weapon,my beretta is just to big to conceal.

[moonknight31]

all i got is a savage arms .306, ruger 10-22, and a beretta shotgun

[countryboy45629]

I have a remington wingmaster 12 ga. with field barrel and slug barrel, ruger p95 9mm stainless, ruger 22/45 govt. model blued, rossi 357mag. stainless revolver 6in. barrel, ruger 10/22 with stainless barrel and composite stock, marlin model 60 22lr, and a knight inline muzzleloader

[moonknight31]

o i forgot about my smith and wesson 500 magnum, its one sweet gun

[moonknight31]

im gonna buy a .338 lapua sometime but idk when

[Tuemmel]

here it's difficult to buy weapons.
All I got is a speer. I don't use it anymore. :( would like to go easy hunting.

[EvilHandyAndy]

Dam sounds like i have died and gone to red neck heaven

[Tuemmel]

how much is a gun and the hunting fee in us?

[45lvr]

Dam sounds like i have died and gone to red neck heaven
hahahahahahahaha. :thumbsup: people from all walks enjoy plinking away at targets. some of us (unfortunately) have had to protect ourselves or others w/firearms

[45lvr]

wildcard82nd
the main reason i say go for the h&k is that theyre proven. a really good 1911 on the market (farely new) is the rock island armory. i got 2nd on a speed shoot a couple months ago and the guy that won had a rock island. he had replaced the spring and guide with a chip mccormick as well as new mags. theyre great guns and i bought mine in the 5inch for 300 bucks about three months ago. you gotta look around to get that price though

[45lvr]

12.7mm McMillan Tac-50.
Canadian Forces rifle.Was used to make the longest known killshot in combat in Afghanistan.

thats a .50cal?

[45lvr]

thanks for the input 45lvr,thats what ill probably end up getting :grin: i was also thinking about getting a walther p-99 handgun as a conceald weapon,my beretta is just to big to conceal.

walther makes good guns. ive gat that p22 (.22cal) and i love it. s&w has merged or bought walther now. i guess it may have raised the production standards for walther, unless its solely an american manufacturing type of thing for certain models. im not sure. yeah beretta 92 are kinda hard to conceal. ive carried large frame (4inch) concealed with great results. usually an "in the pant holster" ( iprefer unc mikes) with no thumb breake.

[45lvr]

all i got is a savage arms .306, ruger 10-22, and a beretta shotgun
i absolutely love my ruger 10-22. its about 30 years old now. i remember going w/ my dad to shoot when i was little. .22s are great for plinking.

[45lvr]

I have a remington wingmaster 12 ga. with field barrel and slug barrel, ruger p95 9mm stainless, ruger 22/45 govt. model blued, rossi 357mag. stainless revolver 6in. barrel, ruger 10/22 with stainless barrel and composite stock, marlin model 60 22lr, and a knight inline muzzleloader
i like my p90 but, its alittle bulky

[Calgarygent39]

thats a .50cal?
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-ctac50.htm
Yes it's a .50 caliber.

[45lvr]

gotta love the .50!

[tanstaafl]

Ok heres the list... Does the ATF monitor this board???
Colt .45 MK IV (strandard BBL)
Sig 229 (.40 SW)
Taurus PT-140 (40 SW)
Ruger Superhawk (.44 Mag)
Bulgarian Makarov (9x18M)
Glock 17 (9mm)
Colt Detective (38 spl)
Browning Buckmark (22 LR)

Mossberg 590 (12 ga)
Ruger 10/22 (22 LR)
Marlin ??? (22 Mag) aw fuck I can't think of the model #
Chicom SKS (7.62x39) Not a Norinco
Ruger 77 (7mm)
Marlin ??? (30-30) side eject w/ scope hammer


Wishlist (Short Version)
M1 Garand
HK 91 or Cetme- H&K Soon to be in production in USA.
HK USP
Walthers PPk
US Civil War Era Revolver (actual not a copy)

[tanstaafl]

Sidenote - at work I saw a S&W revolver chambered in .45-70. WTF, Id be afraid it break my wrist and broken wrists mean no jerkin the gerkin.

[WildCard82nd]

wildcard82nd
the main reason i say go for the h&k is that theyre proven. a really good 1911 on the market (farely new) is the rock island armory. i got 2nd on a speed shoot a couple months ago and the guy that won had a rock island. he had replaced the spring and guide with a chip mccormick as well as new mags. theyre great guns and i bought mine in the 5inch for 300 bucks about three months ago. you gotta look around to get that price though


ya ive only heard good things about H&K's thats why i would also like to get a H&K91 eventualy.ive heard they dont jam,and they are reliable.

[WildCard82nd]

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-ctac50.htm
Yes it's a .50 caliber.

.50 cal's are cool.seems like they would be damn fun to shoot.hope to get one of those some day to lol

[tanstaafl]

ya ive only heard good things about H&K's thats why i would also like to get a H&K91 eventualy.ive heard they dont jam,and they are reliable.

I have training with the MP-5 and G-3 and they are excellent weapons. Good thing that Uncle Sam picked up the tab for ammo that week. I was in a class with 25 total students we fired 750 rounds through each weapon system. and there was only one misfire (deep seated primer). The roller lock system eats up most of the recoil and keeps 2nd and 3rd shot in the kill zone.

I did hear a semi-reliable internet roumer that H&K is planning on a US production facility within 2 years. I really want a 91 but even beat to hell theyre running about $1200 and thats a bit out of my reach. The Cetme's (Which were designed by german engineers in spain) are more reasonable priced 450-900 but for that purchase I'd be willing to hold out a while to get a US made HK.

[mr_white]

H&K USP .45 Mk 23
Springfield XD .40
XD 9mm Subcompact
Seecamp .32


i want too many dont know which one to buy next.

[Calgarygent39]

.50 cal's are cool.seems like they would be damn fun to shoot.hope to get one of those some day to lol
They are a lot of fun to shoot.
I trained with that rifle and it's easily the finest of all the rifles we tested for the snipers.

[moonknight31]

i absolutely love my ruger 10-22. its about 30 years old now. i remember going w/ my dad to shoot when i was little. .22s are great for plinking.

heck yea they are and there cheap as hell to shoot

[45lvr]

Sidenote - at work I saw a S&W revolver chambered in .45-70. WTF, Id be afraid it break my wrist and broken wrists mean no jerkin the gerkin.
damn! that must be a "display only"....at least i hope so

[45lvr]

yeah, ive heard rumor of h&k coming stateside as well. theyre getting alot of buyers her. glock is also in the process of either moving the whole works here or at least having a large plant here. .50s are fun but, only on the govt dime! i like the full auto. single shot is cool, i just like to cut loose!

[tanstaafl]

damn! that must be a "display only"....at least i hope so

Heres what I found on the web at A diffrent Web Forum. I'll double check the make/model of the one I saw in person on monday.

And BTW I did get the permission of the person who orgionally took this pics permission to use it.

[45lvr]

damn tanstaafl!!! i though that would have been some kinda urban myth! i would love to give it try though!

[45lvr]

H&K USP .45 Mk 23
Springfield XD .40
XD 9mm Subcompact
Seecamp .32


i want too many dont know which one to buy next.

i wish i never would have gotten rid of my usp .40cal.... :cry: i will nevar trade or sell another gun. ive done that several times and each time, i kick myelf in the ass later....

[tanstaafl]

damn tanstaafl!!! i though that would have been some kinda urban myth! i would love to give it try though!

I double checked the one at the shop is a BFR not a Smith. I asked to be present when they do testfires. But first they have to do math to see if it's safe to fire in our water tank. normally rifle cartridges aren't but with the short barrel there may be enough unburned powder ot make it safe.

[WildCard82nd]

Sidenote - at work I saw a S&W revolver chambered in .45-70. WTF, Id be afraid it break my wrist and broken wrists mean no jerkin the gerkin.

ya i saw one of those in a gunshop i live by,plus one in a 30-30.has anyone shot the S&W 500?

[45lvr]

dang man, let us know the outcome of that.

[hardone4u]

browning a bolt 7mm wsm
rem 7600 pump 30-06
breatta a390 12ga auto
rem 12ga special field
tomson center inline 50cal muzzeloader
tomson side hammer 50cal muzzeloader
winchester model 190 22lr
rem speedmaster 22lr

[tanstaafl]

I just picked up another GLOCK. I got a G22 (.40S&W). It was a police service gun and I got a hella good deal. This makes the 3 peice I have in .40 I was always a big fan of the .45 ACP round as a defensive weapon. Amazing stopping power. The only drawback was anymore than 8 rounds and its impossible to get you hands around it. In my opinion the only thing than 9mm had going for it was hi-cap mags...but that went away ing 93. I hate to say it but the clinton gunban was great for firearms/ammunition developement. Whats the most power you can get in 10 rounds? That pushed the developement of the "new" ammo (.367 sig, 10mm, 40SW). FBI Balistic tests show that 40SW with Gold Dot ammo has the stopping power of a .45 with the compact size of a 9mm.

The stopping power of a .45 with the mag capacity of a 9mm how can you go wrong.

[Biglou]

Mossberg 12ga., AR-15 HBAR, S&W .38 Special, Taurus P-9 and a Remington 700 in 30-06 with a 6x scope and going to get a awesome gray polymer stock and bipod on it this week!

[Bottlenot]

http://img98.exs.cx/img98/3955/BHD.jpg

[45lvr]

thats a serious rig you got set up....

[wildsexylady]

I hate them with a passion.

[WildCard82nd]

I hate them with a passion.

realy,well thats to bad.theres nothing in the world and no one in the world that could make me give mine up or take mine away.america was built on it and its a part of the USA for life.and im damn proud of the 2nd amendment.

[wildsexylady]

Wow this thread freaks me, *runs away*

[45lvr]

that old saying is true-if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. if it freaks you out, i wont ask you to go shooting with me. simple as that. to each his own...

[QuickCummer]

I have a Ruger 357 magnum and a JC Higgins 12 gauge pump

[tanstaafl]

I'm looking for information on a G-3 "clone" that was imported into the US in the early 90's by Springrield Armory. I believe that they were marketed under the model name of SAR-8. The recieverrs were manufactured by EBO (an H&K licensed facotry in Greece) and are stamped Made in Greece. Being an olive pickin, g*&t-fucker myself, I think it would be neat to get one of these. Has anyone stumbled across one of these? I am considering contacting Springfield directly Although after 10 years it's unlikely they still have factory new for sale through the importer), I am going to pick up a copy of shotgun news first.

[cloudcity]

I hope all you guys reallise how lucky you are. To live in a country that allows you the freedom to own arms.

It has always been a facination of mine since I was alittle boy. I have to settle for a few hours a year on a shooting range when I get to visit the US.

I love visiting this thread, I find it very imformative. Please keep it up guys.

[tanstaafl]

I hope all you guys reallise how lucky you are. To live in a country that allows you the freedom to own arms.


Hating to beat a dead horse - about 55 million of us do.

CC look at the diffrences between the US and UK.

We have Guns, gas guzzling automobiles (fuel $2.00usd / gallon), violent crime, and a great big chunk of the world population hates us.

You have bobbies with wistles, 6 month waits for socialized medicine, Minicoopers (petrol $6.00USD / gal), and only the irish hate you.

Somebody is getting the shaft here and its not me.

(please ignore my over-simplifications and flamewar worthy soundbite)

[45lvr]

when i was stationed in london some of the bobbies (not just the m.o.d. guys) were carrying .38 revolvers.

[45lvr]

tan....that g-3 rings a bell. ill have to ask a friend of mine who used to work with different makers. he would probally have some info. ill post it if he does....

[tanstaafl]

tan..... ill post it if he does....

In the mean time heres a bit of a history lesson. Shortly after WW2 Mauser engineer Vorgrimmler was working at the Spanish CETME factory. Working for the Spanish government the Delayed roller Blow back action was perfected and the CETME Rifle was born. Many years later Germany (Heckler and Koch to be specific) reused the design developed for the Cetme rifles and designed the G-3 Rifle for the military. The H&K-91 is a semi-auto version of the G-3. The delayed blowback roller lock system was used for the entire line of HK rifles including the MP-5. The G-3 and its varients have been used as the service weapon of over 50 diffrent countries. H&K has liscensed 5 factories (soon to be a sixth in the USA) to build these rifles. One of these factories Hellenic Arms (EBO) is located in Greece.

This is just a little trivia to throw aroung at the next gunshow when you hear someone call a CETME a G-3 clone. Its actually the other way around.

[katy]

I am not freaked out by guns, I have a healthy respect for them but really haven't been around them enough to appreciate the fine points. Like Tans put it so perfectly in another thread, not anti-gun just anti-idiot.

Seems to me though, it is like owning or collecting anything else, different people like different things and it just chaps my behind when anyone tries to tell me what I can or cannot do or should or should not do. We have a couple of them and I hate to sound like a total chick but I don't even know what they are. We use them to shoot large, unfriendly snakes when they are at the front door or on the front porch and refuse to listen to persuasion or are of the poisonous variety in which case, I don't even try. Me in the hospital or shooting the snake? Not much debating goes on.

I hadn't read this thread because I know nothing about guns but keeping my mouth shut and listening to people talk about things that they do know about, I've learned an awful lot. Still hadn't read it but then today, I was working on a file and it involves a lawsuit about a gun. So I read this and I bet you guys will know the answer to a question.

Here's the deal, man bought a gun at a gun show. Hoping this is right, and forgive me if it isn't but it should be close enough you'll be able to figure out what it was but I think it was a H&K M78 9mm. For some reason he had the gun at a friend's house. Friend's house was broken into and the gun was stolen. He makes a claim to the insurance company, has no proof of ownership, says he paid $3,500. cash for the gun. The insurance company balked. The man is suing the insurance company to try to force them to pay the claim. We represent the insurance company.

I have no idea what guns sell for but that seems pretty steep to me unless it is some kind of very collectible gun or something like that. Could that possibly be true? and if you spent that much for a gun, wouldn't you register it somewhere or have some sort of record of it? and why on earth would you leave it over at your friend's house?

Appreciate any light you can shed and please forgive my obvious ignorance.

[WildCard82nd]

yes there are weapons that cost that much,especialy the H&K's.a H&K 91 can cost from 2,500 to 3,500 and the H&K 94 can cost 3,500 to 5,000.but i dont know what a H&K m78 is.for one if he legaly purchased it it should be registerd to him,if it is not then he illegaly purchased it.the seller has to call the batf and confirm his identity and confirm that he can legaly purchase and own the weapon.he also has to fill out a paper with his info,and i belive it is then sent to the batf.but he dosent have to wait for the paper to go in,just the phone call.but it sounds like he didnt buy it legaly.

[katy]

Thanks Wildcard. I had no idea. I'll look again at that file when I'm back in the office on Tuesday and see what it was, but I'm pretty sure that was it, M78. What makes them so expensive?

[tanstaafl]

Katy, I'll send you a PM with some info and links.

[katy]

Thanks, I'd appreciate it.

[tanstaafl]

My new expensive gun that I don't have any record of was at my friends house when it was broken into...Sounds fishy to me.

Oh there is are several valuable lessons her for responsbile gun owners.
1) keep up with you own shit.
2) always secure you guns be it in a gunsafe (note I didn't say cabinet), chain them to a water pipe. Hide them (not between the matress, behing a door, or under you socks)
3) Find out before you experience a loss what records your insurance expects you tyo keep. If you have something with out a proof of ownership (private purchase gun, coin collection, vanGogh painting. You insurance company will provide you with a form to fill out (before your shit gets stolen) and only occasionally will you actuall be required to really show the item to your agent to prove it exists.

Ok lets think like a criminal...where do people keep their Valuables. In the bedroom. No shit 80% of all valuables in the home are kept in the master beedroom. Jewerly, guns, watches. Take a second and think about where you keep your stuff. Nobody keeps their jewerly in the kitchen cupboard or under the laundryroom sink ( except me).

The person who broke into the house in question is now an "unconvicted felon" IMHO the irresponsible gun owner and his friend have un wittingly given a firearm to a felon and I personally think that they should be held accountable for the weapon. Unless there is a peeled safe that she didn't mention.

[katy]

Thanks for the links, Tans. Looking at those, it appears to me it wouldn't be a good idea to let this guy do any shopping for you. If he paid what he says, he didn't get a very good deal at all.

The police report said just that the back door was forced open and what was reported as stolen was the gun, a laptop and a couple of dvds. No mention of any safes or anything else being taken. Don't know but that sure doesn't sound to me like anything other than it was all in plain sight or somebody knew the stuff was there. We'll see what he says about it all when he is under oath.

Good point about hiding places, mine is my pantry. They'd have to dig around behind the Cap'n Crunch cereal,tuna fish, cake mixes and lots and lots and lots of jars of canned tomatoes.

Thanks again for the help, guys. My boss loves me and I couldn't have done it without you.

[45lvr]

yep, im not familiar with am m78 either. they do make some that run around 2k new though....

[katy]

yep, im not familiar with am m78 either. they do make some that run around 2k new though....

damn, I'm glad to see you. I posted in here and you disappeared and then the thread starting sinking and I was afraid I wrecked it. Tans sent me some links that answered my question and now I am getting out of here before I do wreck it. Don't want to push my luck.

[45lvr]

damn, I'm glad to see you. I posted in here and you disappeared and then the thread starting sinking and I was afraid I wrecked it. Tans sent me some links that answered my question and now I am getting out of here before I do wreck it. Don't want to push my luck.
hahahahahaahhah. your not wrecking it. i was just busy lately.

[katy]

hahahahahaahhah. your not wrecking it. i was just busy lately.

Thanks and pardon my paranoia, lol. I tried to only type in a really deep voice so I wouldn't stand out so much.

The gun in question was an H&K P7 M8 9 mm. Some of the others cost a lot but even a limited edition series of this kind that I saw wasn't as much as what this guy is claiming he paid. Seems that either he is really dumb or thinks everyone else is.

[Fuggers]

Well on a note of shit guns.. the SA80 A1 is a shit one. would be a deady killing machine, if it didn't jam more that a jazz club in a jam factory

[sexysensual696]

hehe you being an expert hey fuggers

[Fuggers]

Yea, from personal expirence. When you seen combat it brings it all into perspective

[sexysensual696]

Have you seen combat yet lol

[Fuggers]

Well I have played confilc desert storm on the geek box. As really as it gets. Give me a couple of months and I will vouch for it... unless you see me on bangedup.com getting me head lobbed off

[tanstaafl]

I played the "Clinton Campain's" in real life, Kuwait in 96, Bosnia, Kosovo, and the sequal "Ass-crack-i-stan and beyond"

[Bottlenot]

In 2 years I get deployed as USAF Forward Air Command... Hurah! :thumbsup:

Video Games can't even compare.

[sexysensual696]

Well I have played confilc desert storm on the geek box. As really as it gets. Give me a couple of months and I will vouch for it... unless you see me on bangedup.com getting me head lobbed off

i certinly hope you don't! Dont envy you in the slightest having to go to iraq.

[Fuggers]

I am just thining of all the cheap stuff I am gonna get. Anyone want me to bring em a cammel spider back? lol

[sexysensual696]

I like Goooold the taste of it the smell and the texture....

[45lvr]

its been too long since ive been in here......tan you ever get anything on that revolver you posted a pic of in here?

[tanstaafl]

Looks like this thread has been neglected.

I've added a few more peices to my collection. I picked up yet another Glock (g-27) also in 40 S&W. Its a subcompact and a little hot to fire but its my new carry piece. I also picked up a K-Frame Smith. Mod 65 Stainless 4" bbl sa/da fixed sites, .357 Its a real fire cracker also. I finally picked up a Cetme. Not an old wood but a black synthetic by Century Arms. I did find the Greek G-3 Clone that I was looking for but if was way out of my price range...Maybe if I sold a few, nah. Well I am goin to sell the Tausus Millenium. That thing is a total POS. I've sent it to the factory to be repaired. My first day on the range with it and it jammed every 3rd shot and the "guts" fell all over the place when I removed the slide.

Also Friday I bought an Maadi (Egyptian Made) AK. I'm not real happy with the thumbhole stock but that's nothing that some sandpaper and laquer can't fix.

[Bottlenot]

realy,well thats to bad.theres nothing in the world and no one in the world that could make me give mine up or take mine away.america was built on it and its a part of the USA for life.and im damn proud of the 2nd amendment.


Cute...

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/6254/ak0py.jpg

http://img55.exs.cx/img55/5936/rearangle9ep.jpg

As well do I....

http://img123.exs.cx/img123/3594/leeth4xorz2er.jpg
Keeping the peace

[tanstaafl]

Did you scope your AK?? Not to point my finger at anyone, but I think of the 7.62x39 as a 200 maybe 300 yard round. Although the AK is a tough as nails design I cant say they are know for long distance accuracy, hence the druganov. Personally in the 100-200 yard range I prefer open sites or a very low (1-3 Magnification) Red Dot.

[tanstaafl]

Tales of my latest purchase. I bought a Remington 700 classic. I have wanted a 700 action in .308 but thre only choices in a new gun were synthetic or laminate stocks. I really wanted one in wood and was hoping for a bdl or cdl in .308. Well low and behold the 2005 Classic( limited edition for you non gun types) was in 308. I put a Leupold VX-II 3-9x40 scope on it. Still havent shot it yet but I will give you a full range report when I do.

[goatearl]

Colt .45 1911 Great knock down power and heavy enough to cave in yer skull when I run outta rounds.

Remmington 12 guage pump Just the sound of a shell getting jacked into the chamber puts the fear of god in any man with more sense than a sheep, ditto on the knock down.

Thompson sub cuz it takes the same round as my colt .45.

my wish list:
If I can ever get my hands on one, a Ma Deuce. There is just something about the rhythm/report that gets me hard.

[cloudcity]

Supersoaker 7.5l.

[deeprising]

mt favorite gun was the one charles bronson used in death wish :smoke:

[RedDragon16]

I have
a Ruger .22 cal. rifle
a Remmington 12 gauge shotgun
a H.Schmidt German .22cal pearl handled revolver
and a 4/10 shotgun, not sure what kind

[deeprising]

mafia gun........

[hippychrome]

Sigh.... Get Postal 2 + the nude + nuke mods + all your problems wil be solved lol :D .

[reeper2004]

TOO many to list over 30 long guns and & 7 hand guns . Just put me down as a gun nut . The older western guns and black powder weapons our my Fav. Henry, Sharps .Been looking for a Double barrel with rabbit ears .Has anyone seen the letter floating around about who is more deadly Gun owners or doctors .If the facts are accurate this is amazing . If i can find it I will post it .Seem like a lot of people on this thread would enjoy it

[HornyToad]

Sounds like this thread is where I need to hang out. Being a good ole boy from the south I guess collecting guns just comes naturaly.

I guess untill the next sucession the only "rise" in the south will come from looking at SS696's pics.

1-LAR Grizzly 50 BMG (inherited it, shot it once, ain't doin it again unless the carpet baggers invade again!)
1-J Rigby 1901.450 Nitro Express Double Rifle. (inherited this one too, Kicks almost as bad as the .50)
1- Dragunov 7.62X54
1- .460 magnum Weatherby
6-Assorted Mausers in 7.62X54 and 8mm
2-Marlin 30-30's
1-Remington 12ga pupm
1-Browning 12ga pump
1-each 12ga, 16ga & 20ga Browning automatics
1- eagh 12ga & 410ga Savage Bolt actions
6-handguns (the wifes additions to the collection)
Barnett Quad 400 Crossbow

Hey HippyChrome: I hear that the ruskies are selling nukes for about the price of a used BMW. Problem solved.. Personaly I want one of those amphibious personel carriers. You can fish, hunt & drive over those idiots who drive down the road with their music way to loud & never have to change vehicles.

Did you know?

More inocent bystanders have been killed by liquor related events in one year than have been killed by guns since the end of the last world war.

Doctors kill more people in one week than are killed by guns in one year. (combat not included)

Drugs kill more people in 3 weeks than are killed by guns in one year.

Automobiles kill more people in 24 hours than guns kill in one year'

Hmmm...Get rid of booze, drugs, doctors & cars & the world will be safe....for a day or two.

[deeprising]

i want that toy tony used in scarface........ :grin:

[viol8ion]

Okay. I have only a small collection:
Ruger Security Six, .357 Mag, 2" barrel. I prefer a wheel gun for defense, it will never jam!

.303 SMLE, British Enfield... modifed to a carbine (18 1/4" barrel) great deer hunting rifle.

Mossberg 500 pump 12 ga... great for dee hunting in NJ where rifles are not allowed

JC Higgens bolt action .22, old but reliable, for small game but mostly for plinking

Beretta .22 semi-auto target model, this one is from Otaly, no USA model counterpart... my dad got it from a Merchant Marine, so I am third owner... this pistol is super accurate, esp with Ely target ammo.

Thompson Center Renegade .50 blackpowder muzzle loader... great fun!

Crossman .22 air pistol, looks like a Colt Woodsman, great for indoor plinking in my basement when I can't get to the range.

So, small, but fairly complete collection, serves my purposes.

[tanstaafl]

I went a put a few rounds downrange today. My carry peice is a glock 27 (subcompact .40) I am getting nice clean groups but it has a touch to much muzzle flip for true double taps but first round placement is whats important. I also fired my Cetme today. What a great little shooter. I bought a couple of cans of Autralian Mil-surp and think I'm going to get more of it. I was getting 4' groups at 100 meters which is much tighter than I would have expected.

[72hornet]

hello my fellow gun nuts i just have to say this the best guns i ever owned are as follows 1903 sprigfield a 1917 us enfield and all enfields made since ww1 which i have one of each model enfield also a 1911 45 when the shit hits the fan these guns just kick ass and when i want a big hole i just hit it with a 45/70 which i have in a 1873 trap door a little big to carry all day but what big hole it makes

[Dan1010]

i have a ruger mark 7 30-06
a winchester 3030
and i want a side by side double barreled shotgun in 12 gauge

[tanstaafl]

I took my remington 700 out to zero today. I spent the better part of yesterday Making sure the scope was boresighted and mounted proper. 100 yard range first shot 8" high 8" right. I make the adjustment 2" low 2" left. one more small adjustment 3rd shot 1/2" low. 4th shot 7" low 10 "left. 5th 2"left shot 6-15 all over the fucking place. JHackass me put loc-tite on the ring and front mount screws but forgot the rear mount screw.

Well such is life.

[Luv'sit]

I'll throw in on tis one,,,
My house only,,
9 mm
.32 cal pistol for horseback riding
22 rifle... for varmits ( four legged ) skunk, possum, etc. Nope,, not for eatin'!!! Haha!!

[tanstaafl]

a .22 is the most versatial caliber. Definately a "survival" round. Light plentiful. accurate out to 150meters. can take any small game and can drop a deer with proper placement.

[champy]

Freedom Arms 5 shot single action revolver i shot once... chambered in .454 Casull. Wear gloves, use two hands and get ready for a 2' muzzle flash. Just fire it in the direction of the punk lowlifes and they'll run for cover. Clint should have had one!!

[twisty]

damn! that must be a "display only"....at least i hope soRE: The 45-70 gov revolver.
I was told a long time ago those are made realy to put .410 shot shells in!

[tanstaafl]

Just fire it in the direction of the punk lowlifes and they'll run for cover. Clint should have had one!!

I'd rather hit with a .22 than miss with a bazooka

[C.J.]

Well, my University (which I will be going to at the end of this year) has a 10 metre pistol range using .22 calibre handguns, I believe (I'm in the UK - very strict gun laws.) So, if anyone has any advice on range shooting for someone who has never fired a weapon before in his life, I'd appreciate it. :)

[thumper69]

I'd rather hit with a .22 than miss with a bazooka

Damn straight!!!! hey what calibre do you have your Remington 700 in, i've been looking at getting on for a while and are looking at either .243 or 7mm-08, but would really love it in something like .300 Remington Ultra Mag.

As for handguns a lot seem to have 9mm .40 .45 but why no 10mm???
as for a .38 why the fuck would you bother, it'd be quicker just to club them to death.

[tanstaafl]

Damn straight!!!! hey what calibre do you have your Remington 700 in,

My Rem 700 is a .308, I prefer the milsurp calibers...My guns have to pass the "Walmart Test"- Can I walk into any wal-mart and buy ammo for this gun. Now keep in mind I say this as I am looking to buy a FR-7 rifle chambered in 7.62 CETME and a Greek made Mauser in 8mm. Depending on you application I think that the .243 would be a better round (based on ammo cost/Availability). The new Win Short Mags are getting popular but they might just be a passing fad. Like I said, for me its the walmart test.

As far as handguns go I just don't think that there was ever much interest in the 10mm. Alot of people buy guns based on "police issue" Balistically the .40SW and 10mm are similar but the .40 is available in more platforms. Also I think that 10mm sounds too much like "wimpy" 9mm. Nothing wrong with a 9 but thats a diffrent topic.

I disagree with you about the .38 The FBI load for years was a 158gr LSWC .38 SPC. Serious studies have shown a 68% one shot stop with a .38, I personally think that the missing 32% is due to shot placement The 38 show ample penetration for winter clothesed badguys and more expansion and larger wound channels than a 9mm. My motorcycle carry gun is a SW M-60 chambered for .357 but I use 38 SPC +p 125gr JHP for a quicker follow up.

Hmm I'm begining to feel a bit longwinded I guess I'll stop.

[thumper69]

thanks for the advive tanstaafl, my farther in-law has a 700 and a whinchester model 70 in .243 which i shhot quite a bit, but there's nothing like owning your own!
i'm guessing then that u dont reload your own ammo? we use 100g spitzer boattails, for everything from foxes too big boars, we went out spotlighting the other week and got 75 roos in the one night for only 3 misses.
with the pistols i think a glock in .40 will do me, its nice to have a friend when u are crawing through shit like blackberry bushes and 200kg of pissed off boar wants to have a go at you

[tanstaafl]

I should have qualified my earlier statement...The walmart test only applies if you don't relaod. I have reloaded in the past, about 15 years ago (stepfather had reloading equipment) but I don't now. If I do buy the FR-7 or the Mauser I will probably buy a singlestage press.

AS far as a PO'd boar, due to the thickness of their skulls you'll want to use a FMJ to ensure browridge penetration. I beat a wild hog about the head with a 7 foot artillery aiming post for about ten minutes once and it diudnt seem to phase the fucker.

[thumper69]

i figured as much about the reloading.
you guys have far less restriction with the types of guns and ammo that u can get your hands on over there. it takes bloody ages over here and there are some many different bloody application processes that we have to go through, it sucks. that and we arent allowed semi-autos anymore.

those bloody pigs sure are tough, i made the mistake of getting b/w a sow and its young one day, and all i was carrying was a .22 magnum, its often surprising how quickly u can get shots of when u need too, the only reason she stop was cause one of the rounds took one of her legs off.

If u are ever in this part of the world you'll have to let me know and i'll take u shooting. it'd be nice not being the person who has to 'stick' the roos if the 1st shot hasnt killed it.

[tanstaafl]

it'd be nice not being the person who has to 'stick' the roos if the 1st shot hasnt killed it.

lol!!! Is it like killing the baby seals?

Sometime I forget that we are an international group. I was stationed in korea for a year and had some vacation time...I was split between going to Ozzie-land and Hong Kong. I chose the latter because control of HK was going to revert to the red Chineese...I mean PRoC, I figured I could goto Australia later.

[joecollege]

I like bird hunting and use browning shotguns, the two that i like the best is my 16 and 12 gauge hammerhead style. These guns were made in 1969 in Beligum. The 16 is a little expensive to shoot, due to the fact that i have to use high brass shells, and they are hard to find.

[Hornball-Uk]

Guns are for wars, forces & law enforcement and should not be available to public interest groups.

My 2p.

[dober]

i'll throw my 2cents in
beretta 96d inox
beretta neos inox
ruger gp 100
taurus pt92ar
taurus pt92c
mossberg 935 12gauge
winchester 1200 12guage
hi point 9mm carbine
savage 24dl 22over 410
marlin mod60 22

hmmm did i forget anyone?????

[tanstaafl]

So what do you think of the Neos...I've seen ads but not in person yet

[dober]

for a plinker its fun, I have the 6" inox and my uncle has the 7 1/2 " deluxe.
I got it because its cheap to shoot, but I'm more of a big bang junky so I haven't shot it much(usualy the kids do). Its accurate , fits the hand well. Its not lefty friendly and it can be a little tempermental (ftf"s) if you dont keep it realy clean. If you are interested in one check out ************* good group of people and there is a wealth of information on a lot of guns not just beretta's

Link deleted by tanstaafl.

[tanstaafl]

I've got a buckmark that's my plinker. Great little shooter and I practically stole it for what I paid. I bought a pair of rugers today (Well i put them on lay away). I am soon to be the proud owner of a slightly used 10/22 in blued and walnut, and a S/S Ruger single Six in 22LR/22wmr. I just cant help it, I'm gonna need to buy another safe if i keep this up

[dober]

lol isnt that the truth, I thought the one I bought was going to be too big. wrong again. they just seem to magicaly fill up

[tanstaafl]

I am to the point where I am goint to dissasemble some of my "junk guns" and keep the bolt/action in the safe and leave the reciever propped in the closet. I'm not worried somuch about someone stealing the guns to sell them but stealing the guns and the later are used in a crime. But what crackhead is going to steal a hundred dollar rifle with out a bolt? and if they do who's going to but a paperweight that they would need to immediately spend 40-100 dollars to get parts.

[dober]

very true but I wouldnt put anything past some of these idiots now days

[twisty]

Anyone got or or shot the .17 hrm??

[tanstaafl]

[COLOR=Red]I will not tolerate a potential flame war in this thread or any other. Consider yourselves warned.[/COLOR
]

[dober]

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[moonknight31]

im sorry u feel that way but if ure convinced its the best thing for u good luck and god speed hornball

[hippychrome]

Gonna miss ya too, good luck and maybe see you around.

My intention was not to flame, but to emphasise a point of guns that maybe used in a negative sense with or without the 2nd ammendment. I appologise for linking to an external picture of a gun to make said point. I dont know why you saw fit to remove my comments too as they didnt break any pichunter rules i know of. If having a negative opinion on a subject is breaking the rules then we must all be guilty at sometime.

When youve lost a good friend to a gun accident, its hard to see whats so good about guns. You shouldnt really allow diverse topics that are bound to incite a negative opinion to be posted if you arent willing to accept that someone else HAS a negative opinion of them; not everyone in the world thinks the 2nd ammendedment was the greatest idea ever.



This is my last post on the forums. Thanks to EHA for lifting the ban to allow me to post it.

We need rules that are absolute which everyone including staff follows, not lax where picture linking/attaching is allowable dependant on context. These areas are too grey and open to abuse from posters and moderators. I do not have total confidence that these boards can be moderated in a globally fair manner as to not make posters think they are being victimised or being picked on where the rule exists, but depending who you are, where it is and if its ok by one mod and not another.

IMHO, Tan allowed his personal feelings influence how he does his
moderators job here at PicHunter. And that dear friends, is just not on.
It creates distrust and a lack of confidence in any posts you feel you should make. I cannot post in this one rule for you one rule for me environment, so i take my leave.

It's been a great ride, im sorry i wont get the opportunity to meet any of you
now, I was looking forward to that, any PHUK meeting will have to be organised by somebody else, I would find it tough to do this not being able to post, either by their rules or my own convictions and beliefs. I know i look like an arse, but till things change so its equality for all posters including staff following their own rules, and not taking the oppotunity to remove text they personally disagree with, then i shaln't be posting the forum, only in the new chat.

SS - Miss ya already babe.
Cloud - May the force be with ya duder.
Kandy - Keep editing
Daisy - Ya we cool ;)
Toons - Great fun, will miss ya
Smithy - Dang so close... have fun bud
Luv'Sit - Dang shame we were just getting off to a great friendship.
HippyChrome - Missin ya already
Silver - Great fun duder, top avatar ;)
Moonknight - nice knowin ya
GuitarGuy - didnt know ya, but your a good guy !!
Sunflower - just getting to know ya
Lawone - did know ya, u rock !!
Jessica - long time no chat, SHECKSAY
WildSexy - Will always be wild n Sexy ;)

Sorry if i missed anyone. I have my own principles to follow, and i find i can no longer enjoy this environment in the unbiased fashion it should be.

So long all, thanks for those pesky fish :) Cya on the new chatroom from time to time.

[hippychrome]

Although I'm always the last to know what ever happens ?

[mama]

Dam sounds like i have died and gone to red neck heaven


lol...

[mama]

Supersoaker 7.5l.


that gun is fucking awesome!!!...lol

[45lvr]

looks like this thread rolls right along. i recently got a pair of heritage arms .22/.22mag. complete with the western style holsters just for fun. also a high point 9mm carbine, cheap-o, but fun. was issued a hk ump-40 with the navy trigger group, its a blast.

[tanstaafl]

I cant say that I have hand-on with a ump-40 but while at SRT school I spend some quality time with the MP-5. I'll admit my subgun experience is limited to that, a Mac-10, a carbine length Uzi and recently a testfire with a STEN. But the HK was a dream to shoot. It has enough mass that the ronds don't walk and the roller lock combined with "wimpy" nine kept recoil managable.

While the UMP-40 look a little unorthodox i think that being chambered in .40 is a huge benefit.

[dober]

looks like this thread rolls right along. i recently got a pair of heritage arms .22/.22mag. complete with the western style holsters just for fun. also a high point 9mm carbine, cheap-o, but fun. was issued a hk ump-40 with the navy trigger group, its a blast.


lol I have a high point carbine as well. your absolutly right, ugly plastic piece of sh#t but fun to goof off with at the range :grin:

[45lvr]

I cant say that I have hand-on with a ump-40 but while at SRT school I spend some quality time with the MP-5. I'll admit my subgun experience is limited to that, a Mac-10, a carbine length Uzi and recently a testfire with a STEN. But the HK was a dream to shoot. It has enough mass that the ronds don't walk and the roller lock combined with "wimpy" nine kept recoil managable.

While the UMP-40 look a little unorthodox i think that being chambered in .40 is a huge benefit.
it is alittle unorthodoxed, its all plastic like a glock. due to the light weight weapon the recoil feels like 2 rounds are firede and not one on single fire selection. its not hard to keep on target and get decent follow up rounds though. just alittle practice and its good to go.

[45lvr]

lol I have a high point carbine as well. your absolutly right, ugly plastic piece of sh#t but fun to goof off with at the range :grin:
yeah, it is fun to plink with. not an overall bad gun though. a put a cheesy red dot scope on it for kicks

[dober]

so did I, but from what I hear never fully tear it down. run the snake through the bore and wipe down what you can get to. If you pull off the reciever plate springs will shoot everywhere and you'll never get it back together.

[tanstaafl]

I've dissabbled a HP carbine at work..Its not all that terrible difficult...The worst part for me was those rusted screws in the sock...seriously. Reassembling the bolt was a little tricky but but rather straight forward.

[dober]

lol couldnt help myself just picked up a kel-tec sub2000 in 40 s&w

[SAMIAM]

it is alittle unorthodoxed, its all plastic like a glock. due to the light weight weapon the recoil feels like 2 rounds are firede and not one on single fire selection. its not hard to keep on target and get decent follow up rounds though. just alittle practice and its good to go.

Whats up guys? Thought I would through my 2c in on the UMP. Taught a SWAT class where half the class had those. Standing static and just shooting I totally agree with 45lvr. Problems start when you introduce the real world, ie. Folding stock SUCKs when you put on Body Armor, there is no way of adjusting it at all and is a nightmare when doing transitions cause for the shorter officers it always ended up right in the way, I am 6 foot and had issues with it as well. If HK would go to a colapsable stock like on the MP-5 it would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better. As a side note the UMPs that thise team was using were 45 ACP.

[tanstaafl]

Whille I believe that the HK MP5 Type is the ideal entry gun, I spent most of my real world door kicking time in Kosovo. We were limited to out TOE weapons and I really became a fan of my M-4. It was short and light..Even with a 30lb vest and another 30 pounds of misc bullshit I could manuver and engage. My only fear was overpenetration - Fortunately, in a house, I never had to fire outside of training.

Also I learned very quickly that a red dot scope is not necessarly a benefit. It would hang on my gear and snag my left hand during drop transitions. I found during training that the penumbra of my "ninja light" was about point-of-impact at 15 feet.

[tanstaafl]

Speaking of ninja gear. I am Ninjafying a CAI Cetme. I've already installed a M-4 style sliding stock. I put a Tapco swat mount(see through, low profile, picatiany rail). I have a EOTech holo sight (well its the Bushnell branded Holo - Same manufacture, Same specs, no protective sheild, and $150 cheaper). I was hopeing to have it inhand this weekend (going to the range on Sunday) But el Cheapo me though that standard delivery would reach me on friday (UPS says it will be in my hot little hands on monday).

[SAMIAM]

Whille I believe that the HK MP5 Type is the ideal entry gun, I spent most of my real world door kicking time in Kosovo. We were limited to out TOE weapons and I really became a fan of my M-4. It was short and light..Even with a 30lb vest and another 30 pounds of misc bullshit I could manuver and engage. My only fear was overpenetration - Fortunately, in a house, I never had to fire outside of training.

Also I learned very quickly that a red dot scope is not necessarly a benefit. It would hang on my gear and snag my left hand during drop transitions. I found during training that the penumbra of my "ninja light" was about point-of-impact at 15 feet.

I carry a M-4 with an Aimpoint right now. Have a LMT CQB w a 10.5 in brl at the house that I use when teaching and have used the regular 10.5 in LMT upper here in country. I agree with you on overpenitration in CQB if you are limited to ball, however I dont think it gets any better than a 10.5 in AR or M4 with 40gr Blitz rds and a spare mag of Green tip for hard targets. Never had a prob with my Aimpoint snagging during transitions, May be that our technique is a bit different.

[SAMIAM]

My newest toy is a Para P-16. Actually was my IPSC limited gun but was in dire need of a rebuild after god knows how many rounds went through it. Had the slide replaced with a STI (front and rear cocking serations) Ed Brown Bull barrel, EB Ambi safety, EB Beavertail, S&A Mag well with lanyard loop, Novak Night sites, Dawson light rail, 4 lb trigger (Cylinder and Slide Hammer group), Surefire Socom light, and Wilson Armor coat in black slide w/ grey frame. It shot 1.5 in groups at 25 yards when I test fired it before sending it to Wilson for the finish.

[tanstaafl]

<---Offers sam his katana.

Most of my stuff is right out of the box. I did tune a Colt Series 80 with the hopes of getting into IPSC/IDPA. Nothing fancy just some fit and finish work. I fired competatively a few times but didn't get bit by the bug (it was too much like work). What I did enjoy was the CMP Service Rifle Course of Fire. There is an Izaac Walton League near by and they regularly host competition shoots. Now that I have an "office" job I think I might enjoy Action shooting.

CAS/SASS looks like fun but I don't want to wear the silly clothes.

[dober]

its funny I shoot a beretta 96d in idpa mostly you see glocks,1911's and a few sigs or springield xd's. the only jams and malfunctions I have seen have been the 1911's

[tanstaafl]

I am a huge fan of the glocks for defensive purpose. Simple as a revolver with the capacity of an automatic. But I think that the 1911 is the best looking service pistol ever. IMHO - you cant go wrong with a gun froma major manufacture.

[SAMIAM]

Tan, I totally agree with you on CAS/SASS.

Love the old guns just cant get into the whole theme thang!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SAMIAM]

I am a huge fan of the glocks for defensive purpose. Simple as a revolver with the capacity of an automatic. But I think that the 1911 is the best looking service pistol ever. IMHO - you cant go wrong with a gun froma major manufacture.


I carry a G-22 75% of the time when I teach cause that is what most of the Dept's in my area carry and I carry a G-19 over here. I love a good 1911 and it is by far my favorite gun ( have 4 )That Para has probably 30K rds through it and I could count the number of jams on one hand (almost always due to worn mag springs or bad reloads.) Most of the problems I have seen with 1911s can be traced to those 2 issues.

[SAMIAM]

* Shhhhhhhhhhhh you guys* Stop talking that Stock gun stuff. I have Blue convinced that you cant buy complete guns anymore you gotta build them and they all cost at least 1k.

[ARR]

i have a 9mm sig and a 9mm Beretta along with a .22 browning pistol, also have an M1 rifle.

[45lvr]

so did I, but from what I hear never fully tear it down. run the snake through the bore and wipe down what you can get to. If you pull off the reciever plate springs will shoot everywhere and you'll never get it back together.
gee, i wish id have read this a week ago. your right, its a bitch to reassemble.

[45lvr]

lol couldnt help myself just picked up a kel-tec sub2000 in 40 s&w
yeah, i got one. they are fun. my dept bought 5 of em to issue out to us supervisors AND use as swat entry weapons. SWAT??!! hey, theyre fun but no where near an entry weapon. thats why we got the ump-40's, thank God.

[45lvr]

Whats up guys? Thought I would through my 2c in on the UMP. Taught a SWAT class where half the class had those. Standing static and just shooting I totally agree with 45lvr. Problems start when you introduce the real world, ie. Folding stock SUCKs when you put on Body Armor, there is no way of adjusting it at all and is a nightmare when doing transitions cause for the shorter officers it always ended up right in the way, I am 6 foot and had issues with it as well. If HK would go to a colapsable stock like on the MP-5 it would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better. As a side note the UMPs that thise team was using were 45 ACP.
i tried to tell them to get the collapable and not folding but we got folding stocks. the eo tech sight, sure fire light and fore grip are nice but can get caught up in the slings. pain in the ass...

[SAMIAM]

i tried to tell them to get the collapable and not folding but we got folding stocks. the eo tech sight, sure fire light and fore grip are nice but can get caught up in the slings. pain in the ass...

Not to get in your business 45 but if you are having snagging problems you might want to try a single point sling like the Chalker. The best one in my opinion is the one that attaches to your entry vest using one of the Mole rings. They also have the kind that go around your body (not the full harnes, that one is a fucking PAIN) for range days if your team doesnt wear full Kit. A good source is DiamondBack Tactical.

[45lvr]

Not to get in your business 45 but if you are having snagging problems you might want to try a single point sling like the Chalker. The best one in my opinion is the one that attaches to your entry vest using one of the Mole rings. They also have the kind that go around your body (not the full harnes, that one is a fucking PAIN) for range days if your team doesnt wear full Kit. A good source is DiamondBack Tactical.
yeah, i agree with you. i got yelled at for modifying the sling to only attach to the stock so it hangs straight down under my arm. i just loop the sling around my neck and under my arm. were a fairly small dept and they wont go for the type of slings your talking about, too pricey. oh well, no big deal. its just OUR asses that are kickin in the doors, not thiers!

[45lvr]

samiam.....what do you have better luck with: attaching two mags together or a leg mag pouch? im not liking the bulk of having two mags hang from the weapon...

[SAMIAM]

You mean to tell me that your Dept admin is so ate up that they will spend 2-3k on a gun and wont spend $20 on a sling??????????????? OMG!!!!!!!!!! I know we are not sposed to post links but take a look at this, maybe it will help you out. http://www.lightfighter.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=TT-060!005&csurl=/istar.asp?a%3D3%26dept%3DHOLSTE%26sortby%3D%26nump erpage%3D28%26pos%3D28 If the Dept admins wont let thier officers spend $20 bucks (that they are too tight assed to spend) and let them use it so they are more effective then I nominate them for Point man (No Shield) on the next Barricaded Gun Man!

yeah, i agree with you. i got yelled at for modifying the sling to only attach to the stock so it hangs straight down under my arm. i just loop the sling around my neck and under my arm. were a fairly small dept and they wont go for the type of slings your talking about, too pricey. oh well, no big deal. its just OUR asses that are kickin in the doors, not thiers!

[SAMIAM]

45, This is probably gonna be more of an answer than you asked for but its not as simple of a question as it would seem. Here, doing this job, I carry as much ammo as I can and still be effective. In my case 8-30rd mags on my vest and 4 on my thigh, with 8 more in a go-bag in the vehicle. I tried the double mag on my M-4 and I agree with you about the bulk. The chances of me being pinned down for an extended time is quite possible, hence the amount of ammo that I have available. When teaching and performing in a SWAT capasity I take a different view. I want mobility first and formost. I personally think 6-30 rnd mags on my vest 1 in my gun and 3 Hi-cap side arm mags on my belt is plenty for most if not all SWAT situations as long as you have a go-bag with extra mags in the cruiser that can be accessed. (add a good tourniquate to your vest in the space saved) The chances of me needing the extra mobility required during suspect contact and control is more likely than me burning though 210 rds. The best argument for the double mags on the long gun is the speed in which you can do a mag change, in my opinion the fastest mag change possible is to transition to my side arm, seek cover if possible, and deal with getting my Long gun up after I have good cover or the problem is delt with. Both the thigh rig and double mags add weight and bulk that I would rather not have for SWAT so I wouldn't use either. Every thing is a compromise, you just have to analize what you percive the threat in your area to be. Hell I run 5mm level 3+ plates in my raid vest at home cause I dont worry about AP ammo and they will stop 7.62 and 5.56 ball and are 1/3 the thickness of regular level 4 plates. Sorry for being long winded, this is just what works for me and I hope it at least give you something to think about

samiam.....what do you have better luck with: attaching two mags together or a leg mag pouch? im not liking the bulk of having two mags hang from the weapon...

[detroitmojo]

Me, I have my trusty pocket buddy at all times as my business is in the deep ghetto of detroit.

Its a Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum in a .38 special frame, 5 shot with an 1 1/2 barrel & Pacmeyer black rubber grippage, stuffed full of Winchester 110 grain hollow points.

Smokin!!!

[detroitmojo]

I totally dig the 4 inch flame that comes out the barrel ;-)

I have a scatter gun as back up as well, but it is modified in such a way as to cause the user of such a weapon to spend some time behind bars, but in a life or death situation, I think i'll just go ahead & spray em...

[dober]

just bought a beretta 92G-SD should be here in 4-5 days. yes i am a beretta junky

[Champ24]

My Desert Eagle .50ae makes a nice hammer for a good pistol whipping. Also packs quite a punch. Nothing special compared to the firepower yall have but its all I got.

[Thick Dick]

I use a Para Ordinance 1640 LDA Limited for IPSC, and a Norinco 12 ga tactical w/folding stock, pistol grip, 18" barrel, aircool shroud, & 6x scope .. This is my fun gun, and use it for everything from IPSC & sporting clays to deerhunting..
I not crazy about Glocks, If I wanted a plastic toy, I'd go to walmart..
Their barrels seem weak

[dober]

damn now that was having a bad day at the range! Did that happen in a stage or was it practice? :crazy:

[DonPhilippo]

that it is so damn tricky to buy guns in germany. When I am comeing over to the US the next time, I have to find a possibility to shoot an MG42. Kinda love this gun :die:

[Thick Dick]

damn now that was having a bad day at the range! Did that happen in a stage or was it practice? :crazy:

During practice stages.. It was a friends gun.. My Para would never have done 'that'.. He had borrowed a few round from another guy on the range, and figures it was a double load.. (Prob. 10 grns 'red dot' ) A lot of guys load the rounds right up, because if you don't and have a compensator on the end, it's just a waste of a compensator, because it won't work with standard loads.. I've had a double load (or perhaps a cracked case 'don't know') in the Para, and it just blew the end out of the casing, and the mag on the floor (chief reason you don't rest the butt in your hand while shooting eh!) Even that, scared the hell out of me..haha ..Now I check my casings v e r y carefully before sticking them in the dillon...

[outlaw1970]

i have a good gun collection

[dober]

During practice stages.. It was a friends gun.. My Para would never have done 'that'.. He had borrowed a few round from another guy on the range, and figures it was a double load.. (Prob. 10 grns 'red dot' ) A lot of guys load the rounds right up, because if you don't and have a compensator on the end, it's just a waste of a compensator, because it won't work with standard loads.. I've had a double load (or perhaps a cracked case 'don't know') in the Para, and it just blew the end out of the casing, and the mag on the floor (chief reason you don't rest the butt in your hand while shooting eh!) Even that, scared the hell out of me..haha ..Now I check my casings v e r y carefully before sticking them in the dillon...

thats why I stick to factory ammo. I've seen to many squibs and double loads.

[Thick Dick]

thats why I stick to factory ammo. I've seen to many squibs and double loads.
Well, I shoot between 15 and 20 thousand .40 S&W rounds a year, and I'm a 'duffer'. Some of the guys I shoot with are 'really' into it, and shoot twice that many.. If you store your stuff right, and keep your mind on the job while reloading, squibs and doubles are pretty rare.. As a matter of fact, I have more defective factory loads than home pumped! But, if you shoot A LOT... Factory loads are not an option.. unless of course you've won a lottery...

[dober]

Well, I shoot between 15 and 20 thousand .40 S&W rounds a year, and I'm a 'duffer'. Some of the guys I shoot with are 'really' into it, and shoot twice that many.. If you store your stuff right, and keep your mind on the job while reloading, squibs and doubles are pretty rare.. As a matter of fact, I have more defective factory loads than home pumped! But, if you shoot A LOT... Factory loads are not an option.. unless of course you've won a lottery...

thats why most of thetime I'm shotting 9mm. I'm cheap :grin:

[dober]

I use a Para Ordinance 1640 LDA Limited for IPSC, and a Norinco 12 ga tactical w/folding stock, pistol grip, 18" barrel, aircool shroud, & 6x scope .. This is my fun gun, and use it for everything from IPSC & sporting clays to deerhunting..
I not crazy about Glocks, If I wanted a plastic toy, I'd go to walmart..
Their barrels seem weak

was that a 40?

[Thick Dick]

was that a 40?
Ya.. The glock :thumbsdow that blew up was a .40

[dober]

i've been reading up and the 40 glocks were notorious for that. i think the phrase was glock kaboom. something about the way the bullet was seated.

[twisty]

anyone?.17 HRM

[dober]

nope I need more bang

[twisty]

not to kill a rodent, I like a .3 or bigger with lots of powder to but there is safety, $ and having some meat left to eat.

[45lvr]

45, This is probably gonna be more of an answer than you asked for but its not as simple of a question as it would seem. Here, doing this job, I carry as much ammo as I can and still be effective. In my case 8-30rd mags on my vest and 4 on my thigh, with 8 more in a go-bag in the vehicle. I tried the double mag on my M-4 and I agree with you about the bulk. The chances of me being pinned down for an extended time is quite possible, hence the amount of ammo that I have available. When teaching and performing in a SWAT capasity I take a different view. I want mobility first and formost. I personally think 6-30 rnd mags on my vest 1 in my gun and 3 Hi-cap side arm mags on my belt is plenty for most if not all SWAT situations as long as you have a go-bag with extra mags in the cruiser that can be accessed. (add a good tourniquate to your vest in the space saved) The chances of me needing the extra mobility required during suspect contact and control is more likely than me burning though 210 rds. The best argument for the double mags on the long gun is the speed in which you can do a mag change, in my opinion the fastest mag change possible is to transition to my side arm, seek cover if possible, and deal with getting my Long gun up after I have good cover or the problem is delt with. Both the thigh rig and double mags add weight and bulk that I would rather not have for SWAT so I wouldn't use either. Every thing is a compromise, you just have to analize what you percive the threat in your area to be. Hell I run 5mm level 3+ plates in my raid vest at home cause I dont worry about AP ammo and they will stop 7.62 and 5.56 ball and are 1/3 the thickness of regular level 4 plates. Sorry for being long winded, this is just what works for me and I hope it at least give you something to think about
now that im finally able to respond (my cpu was hanging up everytime i replied to anything in her and other sites) i agree with you. ive done some more extensive work on transitioning and found it is obviously quicker than a reload. the only issues i had to work out was the sling (which i proved to both "team leaders" that my rig was more unsnaggable. its virtually snag proof having one piont of attachment and drops out of the way with no trouble.as far as reloading the ump, i found its better to pull from a leg pouch than the double mag on the weapon. the issue was that without really wrenching down on the mag coupler, they squirm loose and thats no good to have a mag sliding down as your clearing a building. those things suck. probally work well with a full metal mag like a m16 though.

[camoknight]

Well thought I would give my two cents worth here as well. I have a nice Sig .357 for me and I bought my wife a verynice Walther P-22 before I left to Iraq. She loves the acuracy of the P-22, but always wants to shot bigger guns. I have seen her fire the Barret with no problem, so I believe I will either buy a 308 or a 30-06. I plan on suprising her with a Lady Smith 9mm, I can pick one up here in CA for about 500. As for me I am looking for a FN 57 to buy. Although I cannot get one here in CA :thumbsdow . I will be glad to PCS from here in July!

[45lvr]

Well thought I would give my two cents worth here as well. I have a nice Sig .357 for me and I bought my wife a verynice Walther P-22 before I left to Iraq. She loves the acuracy of the P-22, but always wants to shot bigger guns. I have seen her fire the Barret with no problem, so I believe I will either buy a 308 or a 30-06. I plan on suprising her with a Lady Smith 9mm, I can pick one up here in CA for about 500. As for me I am looking for a FN 57 to buy. Although I cannot get one here in CA :thumbsdow . I will be glad to PCS from here in July!
i have to say, i have been very pleased with my kel-tec weapons. ive got three and the only problem ive had is after market mags for them. theyre not very expensive and theyre compact, for the most part. i do love my sig 229!!!! welcome back man!!! semper fi!

[camoknight]

i have to say, i have been very pleased with my kel-tec weapons. ive got three and the only problem ive had is after market mags for them. theyre not very expensive and theyre compact, for the most part. i do love my sig 229!!!! welcome back man!!! semper fi!
Thanks 45, it is great to be back. Also, I am glad to see the Army will be going back to the 45 sometime soon!

[SAMIAM]

now that im finally able to respond (my cpu was hanging up everytime i replied to anything in her and other sites) i agree with you. ive done some more extensive work on transitioning and found it is obviously quicker than a reload. the only issues i had to work out was the sling (which i proved to both "team leaders" that my rig was more unsnaggable. its virtually snag proof having one piont of attachment and drops out of the way with no trouble.as far as reloading the ump, i found its better to pull from a leg pouch than the double mag on the weapon. the issue was that without really wrenching down on the mag coupler, they squirm loose and thats no good to have a mag sliding down as your clearing a building. those things suck. probally work well with a full metal mag like a m16 though.

Hell, I figured that I came across as overly opinionated and you just said fuck that! LOL. I am glad you got the powers that be to buy off on singlepoints as it is IMHO a much better system. You bring up an interesting point about the UMPs composite Mags and the use of a coupler that I had not considered. Excellent point! Check out the Eagle CIRIS vest when you get a chance. Best Raid vest I have ever worn!

[SAMIAM]

Well thought I would give my two cents worth here as well. I have a nice Sig .357 for me and I bought my wife a verynice Walther P-22 before I left to Iraq. She loves the acuracy of the P-22, but always wants to shot bigger guns. I have seen her fire the Barret with no problem, so I believe I will either buy a 308 or a 30-06. I plan on suprising her with a Lady Smith 9mm, I can pick one up here in CA for about 500. As for me I am looking for a FN 57 to buy. Although I cannot get one here in CA :thumbsdow . I will be glad to PCS from here in July!

Camo, While the lady smith is a good gun. especially the revolvers, have you considered getting her a pistol with a consistant trigger pull? While the Smiths and Sigs (I dont care for berrettas) are excellent guns, the Double/Single action trigger can be very difficult to master.

[SAMIAM]

Thanks 45, it is great to be back. Also, I am glad to see the Army will be going back to the 45 sometime soon!


We can only hope!

[camoknight]

Camo, While the lady smith is a good gun. especially the revolvers, have you considered getting her a pistol with a consistant trigger pull? While the Smiths and Sigs (I dont care for berrettas) are excellent guns, the Double/Single action trigger can be very difficult to master.
I thought that she may have a problem with it, but one day at the range was all it took for her to show me that I didn't have to worry about her. And I am with you on the berretta, shot a dog in the head and he walked away in Iraq! Not too much faith in your sidearm at that point!

[northernladwellhung]

any one i fired a mk4 lee enfield 303 i have and the power of them i increadable

[dober]

dont care for berrettas

now that just hurts :burn:

[SAMIAM]

AWWWWWWW Dober I'm sorry. I guess the Berretta is a nice enough gun as long as you can live with the crappy Double single trigger pull, the odd grip angle, slides providing free plastic surgery and all wrapped around a 9mm round. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Just jerking your chain. My buddy loves his but then again he has no taste either. LOL

[dober]

lol, I have a 92d and a 96d both double action and you would be pleasantly suprised what a spring change and some judicious rubbing will do they are smooth as a baby's butt and easy as toady. As far as the grip angle I prefere the 92 series and I dont like the 1911 style, beretta put the 1911 style on the 92 vertec and I hate it. never been bit before with the slide but that goes for any gun ive shot. I take that back I was helping teach my daughter to shoot and was holding the gun with her. made sure my hand was out of the way of the slide, now the hammer was another story !

I use the 9mm for bullseye and idpa(im cheap) but carry the 40. Ive owned glocks good shooter but just didnt blow my skirt up.

[SAMIAM]

My welcome home presents to me are my Para P16 back from Wilson's Combat. A Springfield SOCOM 16 and a Kimber Custom TLE II. Happy Feb to me!!!!!!!!!!

[Thick Dick]

My welcome home presents to me are my Para P16 back from Wilson's Combat. A Springfield SOCOM 16 and a Kimber Custom TLE II. Happy Feb to me!!!!!!!!!!

Yup!!! Most shooters have no idea what fine double action feels like till they shoot a Para LDA (light double action). You just have to 'twitch' your finger, and watch the hammer rock back it's totally effortless.. I bought mine for two reason, one it's a wonderful pistol to shoot, and it's the ONLY Canadian made handgun.. Hell, if you can't support the ONLY handgun maker in your country, that hasent been harrased out of business by our now (thankfully) defunct liberal government, you don't deserve to have a pistol..

[SAMIAM]

Yup!!! Most shooters have no idea what fine double action feels like till they shoot a Para LDA (light double action). You just have to 'twitch' your finger, and watch the hammer rock back it's totally effortless.. I bought mine for two reason, one it's a wonderful pistol to shoot, and it's the ONLY Canadian made handgun.. Hell, if you can't support the ONLY handgun maker in your country, that hasent been harrased out of business by our now (thankfully) defunct liberal government, you don't deserve to have a pistol..

My Para is not a LDA but still a really great gun. It was one of the first two P-16s that came into my local gun store back about 1996 and immediatly went to the 'smith for a make over. After serving as my Limited gun (IPSC) for about a bajillion rounds it was once again off to the smith for another make over, this time as a tactical gun. I cant wait to see how it turned out. :thumbsup:

[45lvr]

Hell, I figured that I came across as overly opinionated and you just said fuck that! LOL. I am glad you got the powers that be to buy off on singlepoints as it is IMHO a much better system. You bring up an interesting point about the UMPs composite Mags and the use of a coupler that I had not considered. Excellent point! Check out the Eagle CIRIS vest when you get a chance. Best Raid vest I have ever worn!
actually, i didnt want to be rude and tell you to shut the hell up!!!!hahahahahahah, just joking. my upstairs cpu (an old refurbished pos) just wouldnt work when i tried to post replies. my newer one in my basement i never get on anymore. got a house guest stayin in the finished off basement and just use it to do bills and other misc. stuff. i have looked at the eagle line of vests before but really have no complaints with our entry vests, theyre really adaptable.

[45lvr]

Camo, While the lady smith is a good gun. especially the revolvers, have you considered getting her a pistol with a consistant trigger pull? While the Smiths and Sigs (I dont care for berrettas) are excellent guns, the Double/Single action trigger can be very difficult to master.
yeah a good trigger pull is important. that czeck i have must have about a 30lb pull!!!!

[45lvr]

AWWWWWWW Dober I'm sorry. I guess the Berretta is a nice enough gun as long as you can live with the crappy Double single trigger pull, the odd grip angle, slides providing free plastic surgery and all wrapped around a 9mm round. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Just jerking your chain. My buddy loves his but then again he has no taste either. LOL
ouch. given a glock (or MOST other polymer frames) i damn sure prefer a beretta or any steel frame. i tend to heel it with a polymer, just cant seem to shake too tight a grip. thats why i go shoot alot and its not as bad as it once was. just muscle memory really.......duh!!!

[45lvr]

My welcome home presents to me are my Para P16 back from Wilson's Combat. A Springfield SOCOM 16 and a Kimber Custom TLE II. Happy Feb to me!!!!!!!!!!
yeah, yeah, yeah....bite me....

[45lvr]

Yup!!! Most shooters have no idea what fine double action feels like till they shoot a Para LDA (light double action). You just have to 'twitch' your finger, and watch the hammer rock back it's totally effortless.. I bought mine for two reason, one it's a wonderful pistol to shoot, and it's the ONLY Canadian made handgun.. Hell, if you can't support the ONLY handgun maker in your country, that hasent been harrased out of business by our now (thankfully) defunct liberal government, you don't deserve to have a pistol..
yep, i agree...especially since they make a fine gun

[SAMIAM]

lol, I have a 92d and a 96d both double action and you would be pleasantly suprised what a spring change and some judicious rubbing will do they are smooth as a baby's butt and easy as toady. As far as the grip angle I prefere the 92 series and I dont like the 1911 style, beretta put the 1911 style on the 92 vertec and I hate it. never been bit before with the slide but that goes for any gun ive shot. I take that back I was helping teach my daughter to shoot and was holding the gun with her. made sure my hand was out of the way of the slide, now the hammer was another story !

I use the 9mm for bullseye and idpa(im cheap) but carry the 40. Ive owned glocks good shooter but just didnt blow my skirt up.


Theres just no accounting for some peoples taste! LMAO! Just Kiddin really I am. *I guess the Berretta is an OK pistol, There I said it* And as for "Blowing your skirt up, thats one mental image I could have lived without. :thumbsup:

[SAMIAM]

yeah, yeah, yeah....bite me....

I guess you didnt see the pics of the new truck, Huh? HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEE

[Thick Dick]

When a woman wears leather clothing,
A man's heart beats quicker,
his throat gets dry,
he goes weak in the knees,
and he begins to think irrationally.
Ever wonder why?
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Because she smells like a new truck. :love:

[SAMIAM]

Here is the new and improved Para.

[Foxeh]

i wish we could legally have guns in the UK, all i got is a Commander Colt BB gun lol

[WildCard82nd]

Here is the new and improved Para.
looks nice :thumbsup:

[SAMIAM]

A few more of my toys. This is my idea of the ultimate entry gun.

[dober]

oooooooo gun porn
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/doberjoe/camera007.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/doberjoe/guns/camera019.jpg
my baby but she needed a cleaning
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/doberjoe/guns/camera016.jpg

[SAMIAM]

oooooooo gun porn


Dober, What Ruger is that? Nice to see you have some taste! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE Gonna start calling you Guido!

[dober]

lol thats a 6" gp 100 357. thats my deer hunting pistol. 18 years old with a trigger like butter.one of the first guns I ever bought

[camoknight]

Well, just put a nice S&W Lady 9mm on layaway for the wife. I liked the size of it for her and the feel it had. Man it is great having a wife in the Army as well, makes getting guns a lot easier than the last two wives! Will pick it up next week and I must test fire it a few times before she gets home! lol

[sexysensual696]

so does everyone have guns in the US then? the UK doesnt do guns!

[bigcheese]

I don't even hunt and I own three guns! Guess it's just the way we are.

[camoknight]

so does everyone have guns in the US then? the UK doesnt do guns!
Pretty much I do believe. I am from the South, so I was brought up on guns and my wife is in the Army as well. So we both have a love for them. Plus I love having the ability to take care of anyone "brave" enough to attempt to break into my home.:thumbsup:

[dober]

so does everyone have guns in the US then? the UK doesnt do guns!
not everyone but I was brought up hunting(still do) and I have since started pistol shooting bullseye leagues and IDPA shooting. which is action shooting

[randyrandall]

i guess i would be the exception...i live in texas but don't own a gun! lol

[camoknight]

i guess i would be the exception...i live in texas but don't own a gun! lol
Better look out Randy....I thought that was mandatory down there! lol

[Thick Dick]

so does everyone have guns in the US then? the UK doesnt do guns!

Ahhh but the U.K. 'used' to "do guns" just fine..
But the defensless position of the 'current' U.K citizens is due entirely to politically correct governments that were convinced that after the Dunblain tragedy, 'something' had to be done.. The result? 'Things' get blamed, rather than criminals, and a person can be jailed for protecting his or her life from a home invasion in the middle of the night! That warped thinking, also accounts for the fact that they are 'now' going after knives.. Since they banned guns, shootings have gone up what? 200% now that their banning knives, you can expect the usual incrase in stabbings as well.. Canada has just dodged 'that' bullet, we kicked out our thieving Liberal government, and 'our' stupid firearms laws (although not a stupid as the UK's) are being revamped to place blame on the criminal, and not the object...Were not there 'yet' but were well on the way!

[camoknight]

Anyone have any data on gun safes? I am thinking of getting one, and think I have found a good deal. It is a 14 gun safe, electronic lock w/key over ride and it is fire rated for 30 min. @ 1800. The price given was 1199.00 delivered. Any help? Thanks.

[Thick Dick]

I know COSTCO in Canada, has a Brinks safe that stands about 5 feet tall, and 2 ft wide, x about 18" deep w/electronic lock w/key over ride. Not sure how many it holds (10 or more) for $375 bucks Canadian.. Whats that, about $300. U.S.? I'm sure U.S. Costcos have them as well...

[dober]

i cant remember the maker of mine but its the same heavy steel construction roughly 5ft high and 2ft deep, electronic lock and I dont remember the fire rating for time. hold about 12 long guns with a top shelf and I'm going to hang pegs on the back of the door for hand guns too. the only problem is pick where you want it and leave it ! sucker is heavy. I paid @$500 for it

[camoknight]

Anybody heard of any reports on the FN 57? I am looking into getting one. Thanks.:thumbsup:

[dober]

Anybody heard of any reports on the FN 57? I am looking into getting one. Thanks.:thumbsup:

i have never shot one but I've heard some good things on the FN. THere are some good forums out there where you can get some good info on it

[camoknight]

Thanks Dober, I may have to google and find one and see if they are worth investing in. I also have another Soldier who wants to sell me a Charles Daily .45, I think I will take it out for a few rounds and see if I like it.

[dober]

you 1911 guys ,lol

[camoknight]

you 1911 guys ,lol
Hey you can't deny that it was and is a great pistol!

[camoknight]

I just called Hawaii to find out their gun laws, and if you can believe it they are worse than California! You have to go to a class, get finder printed, wait ten days, and have your photo taken with the gun!

[nostralia1]

I did some clay pidgeon shooting once and for that we had an old 12 bore Bakel, I think was a Belgian make,over and under two shots,(It was a tad hard when the "trapper sent up 3 clays though !) then we got a Beretta which was semi auto 5 shots ( compaints of "unfair" so it only got loaded with 3 cartridges) and on the field somtimes borowed others guns like remingtons and winchesters. I did know a guy in a pistol club but never took him up on offer of joining the club he had an old smith & weston of ww2 vintage ( I found it very bulky and it did not seem the best thing to shoot anything with ! ) Some guys I knew were into rifle target shooting but mostly using the good ol Enfield ! . I had a girlfriend once who's father was an officer of WW2 . He would often tell me stories like, If you are in a war and you are in command, The whistle is your tool,- that and your men. If you ever have to use your gun against the enemy then you are really up shit creek !

[dober]

i just ran accross this at my local gunstore and had to give it a good home
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/doberjoe/guns/100_0643.jpg

[dentley]

whoaw thats cool beretta s fine but
desert eagles rulaz...

[dentley]

if u can find one ofcourse :D

[45lvr]

Hell, I figured that I came across as overly opinionated and you just said fuck that! LOL. I am glad you got the powers that be to buy off on singlepoints as it is IMHO a much better system. You bring up an interesting point about the UMPs composite Mags and the use of a coupler that I had not considered. Excellent point! Check out the Eagle CIRIS vest when you get a chance. Best Raid vest I have ever worn!
man, i went with a local supplier and got a tapco single point sling. wow. i love it. i did check out some vest systems and am going to stick with the issue tac vest. i bought (actually the dept. hoofed the $189 bucks!!!!!) a new leg mag pouch, accessory pouch (for odds and ends), the sling, radio holder, new holster and a new duty gear mag pouch. my set up is coming along great now.

[45lvr]

We can only hope!
no kiddin! my name "45 lvr" i guess only applies to two guns, but i do love them. i enjoy my rock island over my ruger any day. i recently added a baby eagle 9mm and a ruger 10/22 silenced, awesome gun!!! the damn atf stamp is a pain but i plan on getting a .45 or a 9mm w/integral silencer as well soon. yes, of course i dont NEED them but i WANT them!!!! actually, i carry the 10/22 w/ me at swat ops. great for plinking the street lights and such...dogs too.

[45lvr]

I thought that she may have a problem with it, but one day at the range was all it took for her to show me that I didn't have to worry about her. And I am with you on the berretta, shot a dog in the head and he walked away in Iraq! Not too much faith in your sidearm at that point!
i hate to be a stick in the ole mud, but i love the beretta. its not the weapon that allowed the dog to trot off, it was the load. i had a piece of shit pull a piece of shit (hi-point .380) the other night and (as long as it went off) it may have killed me or my fto i was training. he pulled it, then dropped it and his felony fliers went into action. i pulled 9 felony and 4 misd. warrants on his ass, hes lucky he never presented the pistol. it was so full of lint it may have misfired, i would hope anyway. we had our hands full of perps bailing outta that car.

[45lvr]

any one i fired a mk4 lee enfield 303 i have and the power of them i increadable
a friend of mine does, he loves it. its basically a springfield from what ive heard. id be interested to hear more about yours.

[45lvr]

AWWWWWWW Dober I'm sorry. I guess the Berretta is a nice enough gun as long as you can live with the crappy Double single trigger pull, the odd grip angle, slides providing free plastic surgery and all wrapped around a 9mm round. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Just jerking your chain. My buddy loves his but then again he has no taste either. LOL
so, whats your preferred weapon?

[45lvr]

I guess you didnt see the pics of the new truck, Huh? HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEE
been a while since ive been in here. what new truck?

[45lvr]

Here is the new and improved Para.
im secure enough in my masculinity (?) to say that id probally have sex with that.......not a good image. never mind.

[45lvr]

i wish we could legally have guns in the UK, all i got is a Commander Colt BB gun lol
no, no, no. when i lived in London, only the perps had guns. thats great job security for m.o.d. and other law enforcement agencies.

[45lvr]

Well, just put a nice S&W Lady 9mm on layaway for the wife. I liked the size of it for her and the feel it had. Man it is great having a wife in the Army as well, makes getting guns a lot easier than the last two wives! Will pick it up next week and I must test fire it a few times before she gets home! lol
yep. fire place and a few phone books make a great back stop!

[45lvr]

Better look out Randy....I thought that was mandatory down there! lol
theres a city north of me that requires all residents (legally) to have a handgun in the house. not sure if the libs have changed that yet.

[45lvr]

Ahhh but the U.K. 'used' to "do guns" just fine..
But the defensless position of the 'current' U.K citizens is due entirely to politically correct governments that were convinced that after the Dunblain tragedy, 'something' had to be done.. The result? 'Things' get blamed, rather than criminals, and a person can be jailed for protecting his or her life from a home invasion in the middle of the night! That warped thinking, also accounts for the fact that they are 'now' going after knives.. Since they banned guns, shootings have gone up what? 200% now that their banning knives, you can expect the usual incrase in stabbings as well.. Canada has just dodged 'that' bullet, we kicked out our thieving Liberal government, and 'our' stupid firearms laws (although not a stupid as the UK's) are being revamped to place blame on the criminal, and not the object...Were not there 'yet' but were well on the way!
gee, im not getting you. are you somehow saying the criminals are responsible for the crime and not the inanimate objects they possess? im sooooo confused now.

[45lvr]

Anyone have any data on gun safes? I am thinking of getting one, and think I have found a good deal. It is a 14 gun safe, electronic lock w/key over ride and it is fire rated for 30 min. @ 1800. The price given was 1199.00 delivered. Any help? Thanks.
sounds pretty decent as far as i go. i bought a twenty (long gun) safe with e-lock, pistol pockets on the inside door, dehumidifier and 1400 fire rated for 45 min. for just at 1000, delivery included. its too small now......yipee!!!!!

[shooman73]

Hey there,

I'm new to this chat site. Was wondering if anybody had any full specs
or iges files of any handguns. Looking to machine some mockups out of
aluminun. It doesn't have to be iges, I can work with any file system
:help:

[SAMIAM]

so, whats your preferred weapon?

Well once I get my Vltor Stock for my Springfield SOCOM 16 and a Leapold CQ/T that will be but for now its my AR that is pictured a couple of posts below the pics of the PARA. If I had to take a pistol to a gun fight it would be that Para P-16. Something to be said for 19 rds of 40 S&W Hornady TAP! It goes BANG every time and shoots 1 1/2 inches at 25 Yards. But Mostly I carry that Kimber Tactical Pro II 45ACP.

[SAMIAM]

been a while since ive been in here. what new truck?

Here ya go 45 This is my new truck http://forum.pichunter.com/showthread.php?t=12181

[SAMIAM]

im secure enough in my masculinity (?) to say that id probally have sex with that.......not a good image. never mind.

Well I didnt have sex with it but I did make Blue Jelous because I fondled it for like 3 hours after I picked it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:boink:

[SAMIAM]

man, i went with a local supplier and got a tapco single point sling. wow. i love it. i did check out some vest systems and am going to stick with the issue tac vest. i bought (actually the dept. hoofed the $189 bucks!!!!!) a new leg mag pouch, accessory pouch (for odds and ends), the sling, radio holder, new holster and a new duty gear mag pouch. my set up is coming along great now.

Here is my Eagle, minus a few pouches. I have since added a light pouch to the left of the GP pouch on my chest, a FB pouch to the right of the mag pouches that holds my tourniquet and a Hydro pack pouch on the back.:thumbsup:

[camoknight]

Nice rig Sam, that thing have any side plates? Or do you just add them in like the IBA?

[camoknight]

Well I didnt have sex with it but I did make Blue Jelous because I fondled it for like 3 hours after I picked it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:boink:
Well Sam, I can relate to that! I think I did the same thing this weekend with my new car!

[SAMIAM]

Nice rig Sam, that thing have any side plates? Or do you just add them in like the IBA?

No side plates Camo. Already too damn heavy LOL. and I dont like the bulk!

[SAMIAM]

Well Sam, I can relate to that! I think I did the same thing this weekend with my new car!

What did ya get?

PS glad to hear your better half is home safe and sound!:thumbsup:

[camoknight]

What did ya get?

PS glad to hear your better half is home safe and sound!:thumbsup:
Thanks Sam, be safe where ever you are at. She picked out a blue '01 Corvette for me. I will be posting some pics as soon as the crappy weather out here at Irwin lets up.

[SAMIAM]

Thanks Sam, be safe where ever you are at. She picked out a blue '01 Corvette for me. I will be posting some pics as soon as the crappy weather out here at Irwin lets up.

Damn Bro, She gets a Lady Smith and you get a Vette. Both are nice but I think somehow you are gonna need to be kissing up for a WHILE!:help: LOL Congrats on the new ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[camoknight]

Damn Bro, She gets a Lady Smith and you get a Vette. Both are nice but I think somehow you are gonna need to be kissing up for a WHILE!:help: LOL Congrats on the new ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:
LOL Sam, yeah I think I will be doing a lot of making up for this one!!! lol I just wish the damned weather here would give me a break so I could take some pics. I have almost got her talked into posing with the car. Take care Bro and be safe!

[SAMIAM]

LOL Sam, yeah I think I will be doing a lot of making up for this one!!! lol I just wish the damned weather here would give me a break so I could take some pics. I have almost got her talked into posing with the car. Take care Bro and be safe!

Standing by for those pics!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[45lvr]

Well once I get my Vltor Stock for my Springfield SOCOM 16 and a Leapold CQ/T that will be but for now its my AR that is pictured a couple of posts below the pics of the PARA. If I had to take a pistol to a gun fight it would be that Para P-16. Something to be said for 19 rds of 40 S&W Hornady TAP! It goes BANG every time and shoots 1 1/2 inches at 25 Yards. But Mostly I carry that Kimber Tactical Pro II 45ACP.
sounds good. ive not had any trigger time with a para other than a few mags from an old friend . i havnt seen in years. i am a fan of kimber though. i still gotta say that theyre pricey...

[45lvr]

Here ya go 45 This is my new truck http://forum.pichunter.com/showthread.php?t=12181
nice truck man. ive got a '97 dakota. its 4cyl, roll up windows, no air, reg cab...i bought it in sept of 97 just to get by for a while. its been such a damn good truck, im gonna run it till it cant go anymore. ive not had any problems out of it. my next one will be like yours.

[45lvr]

Well I didnt have sex with it but I did make Blue Jelous because I fondled it for like 3 hours after I picked it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:boink:
women just dont understand the finer things in life...

[45lvr]

sam, ever build a shoot house? Got a bud down the road wants me to help him build one. Im thinking steel with rubber covering and moveable panels to change the rooms around for frangible ammo. hes wanting a traditional tire house. whats your 2 cents?

[SAMIAM]

sam, ever build a shoot house? Got a bud down the road wants me to help him build one. Im thinking steel with rubber covering and moveable panels to change the rooms around for frangible ammo. hes wanting a traditional tire house. whats your 2 cents?

Tire house will be ALOT cheeper. Most tire companies have to pay to dispose of old tires so you can get them for free or next to nothing. Then all you have left is the Rail Road Ties and dirt along with sweat equity. If you want what you described check out Black Waters Bear Den. The Bear Den is the shit when it comes to trainers but it will cost ya.

[camoknight]

Standing by for those pics!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Hey Sam, I posted a few pics of the car when the weather decided to play nice with me. http://forum.pichunter.com/showpost.php?p=355402&postcount=18 and http://forum.pichunter.com/showpost.php?p=355406&postcount=19

[45lvr]

Ahhh but the U.K. 'used' to "do guns" just fine..
But the defensless position of the 'current' U.K citizens is due entirely to politically correct governments that were convinced that after the Dunblain tragedy, 'something' had to be done.. The result? 'Things' get blamed, rather than criminals, and a person can be jailed for protecting his or her life from a home invasion in the middle of the night! That warped thinking, also accounts for the fact that they are 'now' going after knives.. Since they banned guns, shootings have gone up what? 200% now that their banning knives, you can expect the usual incrase in stabbings as well.. Canada has just dodged 'that' bullet, we kicked out our thieving Liberal government, and 'our' stupid firearms laws (although not a stupid as the UK's) are being revamped to place blame on the criminal, and not the object...Were not there 'yet' but were well on the way!
whoa whoa whoa!!!!! easy chief. your making way too much sense here:grin: